[–] ElementalPee ago
Is there a sub specifically for left leaning people that have no love for sjw identity politic garbage? Was there on Reddit? Either way, does anyone think it would be worth getting a few people together to start one? I don't like social justice warriors but I also don't really like sitting at the same table as people who want to hate the niggers more and think taxes on rich people are too high.
[–] Petyr_Baelish ago
I very much sympathise with the statement "In my heart I'm left wing, in my brain I'm right wing."
"they, like me, understand the value of free expression and free speech and resistance to the authoritative nanny state." Eh, not so much, at least in terms of the party system of North America. They stand for money (slightly more so than their opponents) and a certain sort of Christianity. The anti-government stance is incidental, and due largely to the fact that the President isn't one of them. Get the left vs. right shit out of your head, and you'll have an easier time (except when it comes to voting, because then you'll be shit outta luck).
My part, I don't give a good goddamn if other "leftish" people aren't all there. You don't need a chorus to use your brain - it's not my fault that they don't know even half of what they're talking about. 'Sides, they're very far from being in control as yet, and if they ever do gain serious influence, the backlash will make the anti-Tea Party stuff seem like nothing. We're talking Reagan's Reign times a million. Hell, the wind's already turning against them: publicity kills this kind of bullshit, because it can't survive without an insulated echo chamber. The faked college rape cases, the transracial spokespeople, the refusal to disavow violent rhetoric, all that stuff - this kills the SJW. Radical feminists back in the day tried to ban porn and advocated putting all men in breeding pens. Now, porn is more popular than ever, and breeding pens are almost never seen.
[–] thomas_jefferson ago (edited ago)
As abitstiffyinhere said, libertarianism is often painted as more radical then it really is because it is seen as a threat to existing parties. A lot of people I know, and I think a growing majority otherwise, would identify with the politics if they looked past the media representation of it. Further, what I really like about libertarianism, and what people here have already touched upon, is that there is a lot of disagreement between libertarians. Unlike some other parties you will be hard pressed to find two libertarians who completely agree on everything. The base concepts like individual rights and freedom are common to all libertarians but other than that there are a lot of differing opinions within the group. This is kind of inherent in the party in that people who are individualist tend to be attracted for obvious reasons. This makes it hard to win elections, haha. Voltaire kind of sums it up with his quote about free speech "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." And that's kind of how libertarians are. They do not agree on everything with really anyone, but will fully support their right to disagree.
[–] dromnom ago
I would suggest adding the country you're from to the beginning of your post. What is considered progressive in one country may be conservative in the next.
My only recommendation is to not search out a label to apply to yourself. Keep doing the hard thinking for yourself. You don't need a convenient title to give out to your political friends, because that title won't represent you. You don't need to belong to a team. What good has team politics done for anyone? It's only useful if you're intellectually lazy and need others to do your thinking for you.
I'd say you're on the right track by not having any single political group to rely on. Find individual candidates and representatives that the Party of HatiCalamity can endorse. Always judge for yourself, re-evaluate your politician's performance, even re-evaluate your own stances on subjects. It's hard work to be sure, but that's why it's called Civic Duty, not Civic Fun Time.
[–] HatiCalamity [S] ago (edited ago)
Noted, I'll bear in mind notifying people of my country in future. though I'll tell you now I'm from the UK. The reason I seek out political affiliations is because when it comes to the real world my interest in the subject ultimately translates to how I vote in the best interests of my country. that means I need to ultimately come out with an affiliation with a party.
Yes, the individualistic attitude is ideal and I'd love that to be the end goal, but my political interests are also teathered to real interests. There are a lot of parties, a lot of politicians, a lot of policies, a lot of promises and a lot of track records to look at in order to figure out where my vote goes. This is more than I can do alone, I'm just one person. Now it's handy for other people to break that down, but nothing is without bias and while I can look at a conservative's spin on all of this, they're not exactly obliged to engage with me in the way a libertarian community or outlet will. My enemies are a good place to hear criticism of me but not much else which means I'm missing vital bits of the picture. I can't think of everything on my own, and likeminded people can fill in my shortcommings.