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[–] TheBlueGhost 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Hi, centre-left liberal here. I have to say, the way that the authoritarian left bastardized the word "liberal" and has set out to destroy free speech has driven me a bit more right than ever before. I disagree with more conservative and right wing people on here and on places like 8chan but I have to say I usually enjoy the following conversations far more than people who scream "oppression" as soon as I begin to question them. I believe in individual liberties and democracy above all and that means I occasionally have to hop between which "side" I find myself supporting, though a preference for some socialist ideas gives me a bit of a left bias. Sometimes I find myself debating alongside ancoms and sometimes I find myself alongside neo-Nazis, it really helps when it comes to understanding how other people think.

But to answer the question, I think it's perfectly normal. Kinda like the situation in British politics for myself, no liberal party which supports equality of opportunity rather than equality of outcome.

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[–] ixlen ago 

A vocal minority will always support free speech. Conservatives and Left-Libertarians are on opposite sides of the (false) right-left scale, but both are a minority in the media. Conservatives get drowned out by loudmouth nutjobs like O'Reilly, Beck, Bachmann, Palin, etc. Left-Libertarians have to deal with the SJW crowd and the attention whores on Twitter. So they have that in common.

Regarding Sweden. I live next door to them. It's a beautiful country run by idiot fascist hippies. Sad.

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[–] Condawg ago 

What sort of mess is Sweden currently in? Not trying to poke holes or anything, I just don't follow international politics very closely.

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[–] 4 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I wouldn't say that the civil war is between authoritarian progressives and libertarians. I identify with neither.

The war seems to be between traditional liberals (eco-friendly, secular, education, etc. proponents) versus the new wave of young liberal extremists who care primarily about social identity and oppression.

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[–] Woden1Eye ago 

I'm becoming more conservative by the day, and it is blowing my fucking mind. the one thing I always hated about republicans was their refusal to deal with dissenting opinions and their penchant for mocking those that did not readily identify themselves with their politics. I feel like I'm living in fucking bizarre-o world all of the sudden

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[–] Dissident_Aggressor ago 

"they, like me, understand the value of free expression and free speech and resistance to the authoritative nanny state." Eh, not so much, at least in terms of the party system of North America. They stand for money (slightly more so than their opponents) and a certain sort of Christianity. The anti-government stance is incidental, and due largely to the fact that the President isn't one of them. Get the left vs. right shit out of your head, and you'll have an easier time (except when it comes to voting, because then you'll be shit outta luck).

My part, I don't give a good goddamn if other "leftish" people aren't all there. You don't need a chorus to use your brain - it's not my fault that they don't know even half of what they're talking about. 'Sides, they're very far from being in control as yet, and if they ever do gain serious influence, the backlash will make the anti-Tea Party stuff seem like nothing. We're talking Reagan's Reign times a million. Hell, the wind's already turning against them: publicity kills this kind of bullshit, because it can't survive without an insulated echo chamber. The faked college rape cases, the transracial spokespeople, the refusal to disavow violent rhetoric, all that stuff - this kills the SJW. Radical feminists back in the day tried to ban porn and advocated putting all men in breeding pens. Now, porn is more popular than ever, and breeding pens are almost never seen.

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[–] Mporter9341 ago 

I 100% agree, a few years ago if you asked me how I identified I would have told you I was a liberal lefty through and through. I dont know exactly when things started to change, it was subtle. Things becoming more and more absurd, strange pronouns and feminist policing of my hobbies were what cinched it for me. I felt really bad about how I had become so different from the movement I identified with and found unexpected friends on the far right and right leaning libertarians.