[–] blackguard19 3 points 10 points 13 points (+13|-3) ago
Libertarianism is sort of a lifeless dogma; it doesn't account for people's natural tendency to practice tribalism and identity politics. White people have had that instinct largely beaten and shamed out of them.
[–] A_Fringe_Element 4 points 5 points 9 points (+9|-4) ago
If you're a libertarian you should also be a white-nationalist. Hispanics vote for socialism in every country they inhabit and blacks aren't capable of taking care of themselves at any meaningful rate. You're not going to change these people with a Murray Rothbard book.
We'll discuss the finer points of economic philosophies when we have our own country.
[–] intrepiddemise 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
Libertarianism is about personal liberty; it doesn't try to restrict much except for government. The kind of society you're intent upon making will have extremely high barriers to entry. Libertarianism isn't about regulations and barriers; it's about freedom. Freedom of choice, freedom of movement, etc. As long as you're not harming anyone else, you're to be left alone.
And if you think that whites are somehow immune from socialist tendencies, and that the Rapture you're going to build will therefore be free of it, think again. The Soviet Union was white (unless you don't count slavs as "white") and Communist for 75 years. Even the aryans of Sweden were socialists throughout the 1970s. Most European countries today have mixed economies that are highly focused upon social welfare. The communitarian/collectivist impulse is a human impulse. You're not going to get rid of it by walling out those you see as unfit. Once that becomes the norm, no-one, even those within your own ideal community, will be immune. This is how tribalistic infighting begins, and that kind of thing ruins even the most homogeneous of societies.
Even if I agreed with your white nationalist philosophy (I don't), I wouldn't support it because it wouldn't work on practical grounds, and for the same reason that you're arguing against a libertarian society: get a large enough group, and the chaos of human nature enters the picture and ruins all of your well-laid plans. The only thing we can do as citizens is to argue for our beliefs and attempt to gain some control over the levers of power so that we can see legislation that we favor implemented or so we can see rules and structures with which we disagree dismantled.
And if you're thinking of an armed white nationalist revolution, the same thing would happen to it that would happen to any armed anarchist or libertarian revolution: it would be crushed. Both of these philosophies are considered extremist philosophies by most of the American public. You white nationalists need to realize that and come to terms with it, as most libertarians have.
[–] A_Fringe_Element ago
Libertarianism is about personal liberty; it doesn't try to restrict much except for government.
I'm aware - I personally think it's a shallow ideology that stands for little at the end of the day but "muh freedoms". We've consistently seen that a society where anything goes and "don't judge" is the motto will destroy itself. Economic pitfalls can be corrected social pitfalls are rarely as easy.
Freedom of choice, freedom of movement, etc. As long as you're not harming anyone else, you're to be left alone.
"Muh freedoms" and "muh constitution" are not going to save you from a 51% majority. The mythical immigrant looking for a better life is coming here because of our GDP and lack of wars/diseases. He brought his ideas with him when he crossed an imaginary line and was given a magical piece of paper by a government bureaucrat.
I wouldn't support it because it wouldn't work on practical grounds
Actually it worked quite well for generations. Until very recently in history allowing millions of Africans and Arabs into your country wasn't even imaginable. To this day there's many countries with almost completely homogeneous populations. Most people are fickle - most of the people alive today status signalling for gay rights were making jokes about faggots ten to fifteen-years-ago. That pendulum can swing the other direction as well. Groups like BLM and Muslims do more for white nationalism than anyone else because at its core white nationalism is merely a survival strategy.
And if you're thinking of an armed white nationalist revolution
In the US that's unnecessary - this country has the sociological version of AIDS and will go the way of the USSR. We'll see what emerges from those ashes but there's enough land to divide. It's Europe that needs ethnic cleansing and that's much more likely to happen.
PS - my "ideology" is no more radical than Zionism.
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[–] bikergang_accountant 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
You can't really have an anarchist society with scumbags. Libertarianism and anarchy are the ideal for socially functional societies. The message though is the cure because as people start to become exposed to the idea that you should look at policy from an ethics point of view instead of "I want" point of view they start to become the kind of people that could function in a free society.
[–] somebody112 ago
Since you cannot stop there being scumbags, or stop nice people from becoming scumbags at any point in time, then a libertarian, ancap, anarchy or what have you, societies can never exist.
[–] 1Sorry_SOB 0 points 10 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago
We've gone from Ron Paul to worrying about preserving America as a Euro state. No political system will function if we can't stop the deluge of 3rd worlders.
[–] Somali 2 points -1 points 1 point (+1|-2) ago (edited ago)
Communists think people can work together in a commune and their honest caring government will be left alone by bad actors because well wouldn't it be nice if Mao didn't just declare you an enemy of the state and culturally enrich you.
Libertarians think people can work together in a territory and they will be left alone by bad actors because well wouldn't it be nice if Soros didn't import a million rapefugees to culturally enrich you.
Libertarian useful idiots should be put in the same gas chambers as Marxist uis. Run them round the clock.
[–] Joe_McCarthy 4 points -1 points 3 points (+3|-4) ago
Obvious is obvious to everybody except Libertardians.
[–] Joe_McCarthy 2 points 0 points 2 points (+2|-2) ago
A budding Patrick Henry he is. We need as many of his kind as possible here to carry the torch of liberty from sea to shining sea.
[–] DHerpster 2 points 31 points 33 points (+33|-2) ago
Socialism is huge in Latin America and people act shocked when they come here and vote Democrat.
[–] Cant_Call_It 0 points 14 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago (edited ago)
What's the stats for the ones that come here legally? I would have imagined they would be trying to get away from that. Plus, as far as I know, every Hispanic person I've known has been fairly conservative (The ones I've known are here legally, some first generation) That's just my experience though.
Edit: Added the shit in parentheses.
[–] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 8 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago
As a general rule the ones that came illegally can't even vote. As for Hispanic conservatism... what do you mean? Social conservatism? Their personal behavior? Well, Hispanics have higher crime rates, abortion rates, and illegitimacy rates than whites. They have lower divorce and drug use rates though. That last one seems to make them less Libertarian come to think of it...
What they most certainly are not is fiscal conservatives. They get a disproportionate amount of free shit and that's why they vote Democrat.
Of course there are also variations between groups. Florida Cubans vote much more Republican than Southwest Mexicans.
In any event Libertarians can't even get small government minded whites to vote for them. Good luck with Pedro.