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[–] Mosin91 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I never understood why the religious are so certain of themselves that they have to force their ideals on everyone. Live your life and leave everyone else alone.

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[–] Omnipresent 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I never got to choose to be what I am... I was born an asshole. :(

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[–] luckypunk 1 point 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

There's also: "When and how did you choose to be straight?"

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[–] toobaditworks 3 points -1 points (+2|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Note: I'm not religious nor am I a republican or a democrat.

Gay people might have been born gay but you do have a choice of what you do in your life. Straight people can choose to be gay if they want to. Gay people can choose to be straight. Just as a man can choose to not wear a dress and instead wear mens clothing. That is what choice means. If you're making the issue that gay people can't make choices for themselves then you're saying that gay people don't have that capability like the rest of us. And I'm sorry but that isn't true. Everyone has a choice. You do choose what you do in life. You're not born with a certain destiny. You make your own destiny. What you do however is up to you. It is your choice.

I for one don't give a damn if gay people get married but I think government shouldn't have anything to do with it. Why do you need a permission slip from the government to love someone and be with them forever?

If it's about tax breaks that married people get then that's another issue. I think tax breaks should also be stopped. Taxes in general should be stopped. Taxes should be for things you buy. Not taxes on your net income. And nobody should get tax breaks.

If it's about taking away things from religious people for revenge because a religious person hurt you in the past you should be the bigger person and not resort to such tactics.

Thanks for reading.

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[–] IdeologyIsHuman 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

**I for one don't give a damn if gay people get married but I think government shouldn't have anything to do with it. Why do you need a permission slip from the government to love someone and be with them forever? **

You're fine to advocate that position, but to be consistent you would either need to fight to revoke the role of government in ALL marriages, or simply extend that involvement into gay marriages. An all or nothing approach.

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[–] Yamajac 1 point 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Having gay sex is not the same as being gay.

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[–] fruitViking [S] 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

I think that Dan Savage gave the best response to this. Dr. Ben Carson claimed that being gay is a choice and that "prison proves it". Savage replied with

Dear Dr. Carson,

If being gay is a choice, prove it. Choose it. Choose to be gay yourself. Show America how that's done, Ben, show us how a man can choose to be gay. Suck my dick. Name the time and the place and I'll bring my dick and a camera crew and you can suck me off and win the argument.

Very sincerely yours,

Dan Savage

So far, Dr. Carson has not responded.

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[–] luckypunk 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

You read a lot into such a short statement.

Yes, you can choose not to act on your nature.

To what tactics am I resorting? Could you be clearer?

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[–] lastdeadmouse 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

So... I've known these identical twins for a while, one gay, one straight. I now know what to think, thanks to you :)

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[–] AgriGrunt 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I am confused. Identical twins do not suggest that being gay is not inherent to the individual. It strongly suggests that there is no genetic predisposition, but it does not suggest homosexuality is not inherent. A child in the womb does not receive the same amount of nutrients, hormones, or epigenetic encoding. The majority of people that study homosexuality believe that epigenetic factors have a key role in the processes. There still is no choice by the individual. However, the pictures stance still stands.

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[–] lastdeadmouse ago 

I'm not saying that it isn't in someway inherent, but it is pretty solid evidence against it being genetic (though doesn't exclusive rule out a genetic predisposition).

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[–] jibrish 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Isn't this the same argument some theists use? "It doesn't disprove XX".

There still is no choice by the individual.

This is silly to say. There's not enough evidence to claim it's not a choice so there's not enough evidence to say this line.