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[–] FullyBespokedTomato 1 point 6 points (+7|-1) ago  (edited ago)

While I disagree with the reversal I applaud your actions and responsible disposition.

I would agree that if you feel doxxing/brigading are fully covered without rule #3 and you (the mods of v/gaming) are trying to step back from the "harassment" restrictions, then the rule doesn't make sense.

Fuck'em, let the trolls get downvoated to hell for not adding anything to the discussion and keep your hands clean/head off the witchhunt lists.

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[–] FullyBespokedTomato 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

If only some people would stop holding them up as such...

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I appreciate the great feedback :) I know it's not possible to please everyone all of the time, but /v/gaming's modteam has always done a good job of approaching the community with any and all changes to the rules, only implementing them upon request. Rule 3 has been around longer than I have, and has been up for review along with the rest of the subverse rules a few times - in fact the sticky that this sticky replaced was a rule 3 discussion thread.

What do you think of the idea raised in my edit about a block user button? that would allow each individual user to handle harassment themselves without impacting others on the sub. It's functionality that would have to be implemented on a site level, but it's been on the admin's to-do list for a long time: https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/comments/1211887

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[–] FullyBespokedTomato 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No worries, I have no complaints about the work that you and the other mods are doing here in v/gaming.

I saw this shit kickoff and generally avoid getting into other mod's modding tactics as a rule. If I hate the way thing are going I just find somewhere else to spend my time. You could certainly do with one less whinging pom.

I am a strong proponent of the block user function. I really like the block subverse function already, why not be able to condemn the shitty trolls/spammers to a room all by themselves? They can still have their "free speech" and not waste my time with it either.

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[–] Namrok 1 point 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Somehow I missed everything that happened.

Maybe all that's really needed is a clear example on the rules page about what specifically falls under sustained and abusive messages. I mean, it's the internet. Shit gets salty. If two people are really having at it over PM, or contained to a single post, let them at it. To me it only crosses a line when one of them follows the other everywhere else on voat, and starts getting into crazy arguments everywhere. You get into an argument on /v/politics, and they follow you into /v/games calling you a filthy Trump/Hillary supporter while you're trying to talk about how much you hate DLC.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

To me it only crosses a line when one of them follows the other everywhere else on voat, and starts getting into crazy arguments everywhere.

oddly enough, that's exactly what happened. Rule 3 has always had support from the /v/gaming community, so it's jarring to see that sentiment change so quickly. but a mod's responsibility is to the community, and it's foolish to maintain a rule that no longer has community support. I just hope that people continue to weigh in whenever there's a rule discussion, because the modteam does all it can to sticky those discussions right here in /v/gaming and seek feedback from the community directly. If you don't weigh in, you don't have a voice.

Taking the solution one step further, I think having a block user button would solve the problem completely. Harassment is tough to define at the subverse level because everyone's definition is different. Giving everyone tools at the individual level allows everyone to handle the issue personally in a way that doesn't affect other's on the sub.

I've made the request for a block user button here: https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/comments/1211887

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[–] Namrok 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That's too bad you're catching flak then. To me that is pretty much the only time I'd ever want a user banned. But I guess I'm alone in that.

You're probably dead on about an individual block button nipping the issue in the bud. Here is hoping they can get on that.

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[–] Code-x 1 point 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Your opinion just as good as anyone else around here bud. Don't think otherwise

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I sincerely appreciate the positive feedback :) waking up to an inbox full of hate was a shock, and my only thought at the time was how it might affect the /v/gaming community. It's a lousy feeling to feel like I've simultaneously let people down and put the community I love in the line of fire. /v/gaming has always been great to me, and I will continue to do all I can to respect each and every one of you.

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[–] AlphaWookie 6 points 0 points (+6|-6) ago 

Testing to see if I am still censored.

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[–] Code-x 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Nope

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[–] AlphaWookie 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

I so want to shitpost right now. You should know that.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

hi buddy :)

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[–] 5987431? 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

No one but the admins can prove brigading anyway so that's a bit of a useless rule to have for a mod to enforce. Doxxing is something for the admins to handle also if they wish and I think harassment is too subjective for a few people to interpret.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

You've channeled my thoughts on brigading to a T. And you're right that doxxing is already in the TOS. The TOS does expressly require mods to enforce the site-wide rules (including doxxing), but that's no reason for us to double-cover a site-wide rule in the sidebar.

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[–] AlphaWookie 6 points 1 point (+7|-6) ago 

OP it depend. If you want to referee personal disagreement with users and think you can do so in a way that result in both users staying and both sides agreeing to apologize and sticking with there apology then rule 3 should stay. If you do not want the work let it go and the community do its thing.

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[–] Kadynce 10 points -3 points (+7|-10) ago 

As long as personal disagreements can stay personal, I dont see a problem with it. There are private messages for a reason. When it fills up our subverse with unnecessary name calling in the comments, then it affects the discussion.

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[–] 5987535? 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Its better if we make a bitchfight sub and let everyone duke it out in there.

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[–] AlphaWookie 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

That is an old idea it is called the free market place of ideas.

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[–] thrus 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It is an interesting idea but I don't see it working well. using myself as an example, if someone wants to argue with me I'm happy to do so (some days more then others) but if they are so into an internet argument that they create a specific post to continue it or insult me or even go on a downvoating campaign against me I'm just going to laugh to myself and go on with my day.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I appreciate the constructive feedback. What would you think of a site-wide block button taking the place of any subverse rules against harassment? https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/comments/1211887

With respect, no one likes a heckler, but because harassment is so subjective, it makes more sense to place tools in the hands of each individual than to try to prevent it at the sub level.

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[–] Cynabuns 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Not sure if you saw or knew, but v/AVE has a block/ignore user feature to it - at least until we can get it from the Admins (and it's been requested at least a dozen times now :() - thanks for requesting/suggesting it again!

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[–] 5987464? 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago 

Yea, I don't think rule 3 is needed and just causes trouble. No need to reply to my comment in the other thread, I'm sure you have a lot.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I do, but I'm adament about going through each comment and replying personally. It's taking a long time, and I apologize if I miss a few.

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