[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I appreciate it :) they may have been short and colorful, but at the same time I understood where they were coming from and wanted to personally reach out and say so.
[–] FullyBespokedTomato 1 point 6 points 7 points (+7|-1) ago (edited ago)
While I disagree with the reversal I applaud your actions and responsible disposition.
I would agree that if you feel doxxing/brigading are fully covered without rule #3 and you (the mods of v/gaming) are trying to step back from the "harassment" restrictions, then the rule doesn't make sense.
Fuck'em, let the trolls get downvoated to hell for not adding anything to the discussion and keep your hands clean/head off the witchhunt lists.
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[–] FullyBespokedTomato 1 point 2 points 3 points (+3|-1) ago
If only some people would stop holding them up as such...
[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
I appreciate the great feedback :) I know it's not possible to please everyone all of the time, but /v/gaming's modteam has always done a good job of approaching the community with any and all changes to the rules, only implementing them upon request. Rule 3 has been around longer than I have, and has been up for review along with the rest of the subverse rules a few times - in fact the sticky that this sticky replaced was a rule 3 discussion thread.
What do you think of the idea raised in my edit about a block user button? that would allow each individual user to handle harassment themselves without impacting others on the sub. It's functionality that would have to be implemented on a site level, but it's been on the admin's to-do list for a long time: https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/comments/1211887
[–] FullyBespokedTomato 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
No worries, I have no complaints about the work that you and the other mods are doing here in v/gaming.
I saw this shit kickoff and generally avoid getting into other mod's modding tactics as a rule. If I hate the way thing are going I just find somewhere else to spend my time. You could certainly do with one less whinging pom.
I am a strong proponent of the block user function. I really like the block subverse function already, why not be able to condemn the shitty trolls/spammers to a room all by themselves? They can still have their "free speech" and not waste my time with it either.
[–] Namrok 1 point 5 points 6 points (+6|-1) ago
Somehow I missed everything that happened.
Maybe all that's really needed is a clear example on the rules page about what specifically falls under sustained and abusive messages. I mean, it's the internet. Shit gets salty. If two people are really having at it over PM, or contained to a single post, let them at it. To me it only crosses a line when one of them follows the other everywhere else on voat, and starts getting into crazy arguments everywhere. You get into an argument on /v/politics, and they follow you into /v/games calling you a filthy Trump/Hillary supporter while you're trying to talk about how much you hate DLC.
[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
To me it only crosses a line when one of them follows the other everywhere else on voat, and starts getting into crazy arguments everywhere.
oddly enough, that's exactly what happened. Rule 3 has always had support from the /v/gaming community, so it's jarring to see that sentiment change so quickly. but a mod's responsibility is to the community, and it's foolish to maintain a rule that no longer has community support. I just hope that people continue to weigh in whenever there's a rule discussion, because the modteam does all it can to sticky those discussions right here in /v/gaming and seek feedback from the community directly. If you don't weigh in, you don't have a voice.
Taking the solution one step further, I think having a block user button would solve the problem completely. Harassment is tough to define at the subverse level because everyone's definition is different. Giving everyone tools at the individual level allows everyone to handle the issue personally in a way that doesn't affect other's on the sub.
I've made the request for a block user button here: https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/comments/1211887
[–] Namrok 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
That's too bad you're catching flak then. To me that is pretty much the only time I'd ever want a user banned. But I guess I'm alone in that.
You're probably dead on about an individual block button nipping the issue in the bud. Here is hoping they can get on that.
[–] SaneGoatiSwear 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago (edited ago)
you rock. epic modding.
thank you.
no fuck blocking. it's single-serve reverse user-user shadowbanning and that's a form of censorship, thus it's only PARTIALLY freeze peach, not freeze peach, which means no freeze peach which means there would be no reason to stay on voat. freeze peach or nuthin'.
edit: on rule 3: whatever the community consensus is is what it ought be. it's a default sub. a community thing, just like you said :)
[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Thank you for the great feedback, it really means a lot to me :)
I added this edit to the /v/IdeasForVoat request:
Words don't hurt anyone, but a single user following another user around the site can generate a lot of crap in their inbox. It would basically be a spam filter for you inbox, even if it's something as basic as: don't make a red envelope notification when this user replies to me, and all of their comments in my inbox are collapsed by default.
[–] SaneGoatiSwear 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
somehow you've got me nodding my head in agreement here and i've got nothing - - that's a fair way to allow the edge of it to be diminished without creating a single-serve shadowban experience for users. i really appreciate that delicate balance struck there.
sadly tho, i don't see a code like that coming out for a while. and we're not even talking voatgoat's awful money troubles in the way of good shit like this being implemented, just on a technical level, giving users options like that seems...
and all those preferences have to be stored, more space, more ah yes.. moolah.
[–] FireForEffect 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Good job reversing. I say keep the rule but get some community feedback first? Only thing I can think of right now. Spam will happen more and more as Voat grows so there needs to be guidelines. I like this sub. Not very active but I voat a lot.
[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I appreciate the feedback. Rule 3 (and all of /v/gaming's rules) belong to the community and are only created/modified with community feedback. In fact, the sticky that this sticky replaced was a feedback thread specifically for rule 3, which had been around for a year already.
[–] 84626433832795028841 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Gaming has mods? Why?
[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
mainly to avoid turning into the mountain of garbage that /r/gaming devolved to. good mods give the community the freedom to create rules for themselves, just like it says in the site-wide terms of service:
Subverses may create their own rules and enforce them as they see fit, providing they do not violate the terms of this agreement. You agree that voat is not responsible for the actions taken or not taken by moderators.
/v/gaming's rules are community-driven and put up for regular review even if no changes are requested. We push for clear and predictable wording and enforce those rules as fairly as possible.
[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Great suggestion, and taken care of!
[–] 5987875? 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
Thanks for linking me here. I think it's really good you reversed the ban and I hope the user appreciates it as well and stops being a pain in the ass. Its easy to be a dick but you don't have to be. You already know I opposed the rule 3 being there so thats all I have to say.
[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
AlphaWookie isn't so bad, all-in-all: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/comments/1211404/5987617