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[–] AlphaWookie 6 points 1 point (+7|-6) ago 

OP it depend. If you want to referee personal disagreement with users and think you can do so in a way that result in both users staying and both sides agreeing to apologize and sticking with there apology then rule 3 should stay. If you do not want the work let it go and the community do its thing.

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[–] Kadynce 10 points -3 points (+7|-10) ago 

As long as personal disagreements can stay personal, I dont see a problem with it. There are private messages for a reason. When it fills up our subverse with unnecessary name calling in the comments, then it affects the discussion.

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[–] 5987535? 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Its better if we make a bitchfight sub and let everyone duke it out in there.

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[–] thrus 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It is an interesting idea but I don't see it working well. using myself as an example, if someone wants to argue with me I'm happy to do so (some days more then others) but if they are so into an internet argument that they create a specific post to continue it or insult me or even go on a downvoating campaign against me I'm just going to laugh to myself and go on with my day.

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[–] AlphaWookie 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

That is an old idea it is called the free market place of ideas.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I appreciate the constructive feedback. What would you think of a site-wide block button taking the place of any subverse rules against harassment? https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/comments/1211887

With respect, no one likes a heckler, but because harassment is so subjective, it makes more sense to place tools in the hands of each individual than to try to prevent it at the sub level.

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[–] Cynabuns 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Not sure if you saw or knew, but v/AVE has a block/ignore user feature to it - at least until we can get it from the Admins (and it's been requested at least a dozen times now :() - thanks for requesting/suggesting it again!

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[–] Code-x 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

Awesome. Baby sitter mods are the worst.

I take back my hateful remarks.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I appreciate it :) they may have been short and colorful, but at the same time I understood where they were coming from and wanted to personally reach out and say so.

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[–] AlphaWookie 6 points 0 points (+6|-6) ago 

Testing to see if I am still censored.

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[–] Code-x 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Nope

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[–] AlphaWookie 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

I so want to shitpost right now. You should know that.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

hi buddy :)

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[–] CheekyMonkey 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I had noticed the comments in the last couple of weeks and was ok with the ban at first. I got involved in the discussion thread and had my mind changed.

That whole thread was great and full of people with totally different opinions talking through the issue, not being dicks about it and generally acting like adults.

Then we get this, a mod modding the way it should be done.

Its so refreshing and great to see happening.

I love Voat.

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[–] Cynabuns 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I'm curious if you ever came to a decision of your own after reading and being involved all the comments.

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[–] CheekyMonkey 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I think so :)

Originally my being ok with the ban was me reacting and not thinking, reacting to seeing the guy I'd noticed doing something I don't like "getting his comeuppance". It really only took someone to make me think to let me realize this. I've said before, one of the things I didn't like about Voat (seeing the front page filled up with stuff I really didn't like or agree with) is actually just a demonstration of the thing I like most about Voat, freedom of speech done properly. I've found in the past that its quite easy to get carried away with something I don't actually agree with just because "my feels" and when I just take a second to think I see it for what it is. So I generally try to keep that in mind, I guess today I just let it slip a little.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm happy to be part of your positive experience, friend :)

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[–] CheekyMonkey 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Oops I forgot about the rule 3 thinger, I'm for removing it.

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[–] FullyBespokedTomato 1 point 6 points (+7|-1) ago  (edited ago)

While I disagree with the reversal I applaud your actions and responsible disposition.

I would agree that if you feel doxxing/brigading are fully covered without rule #3 and you (the mods of v/gaming) are trying to step back from the "harassment" restrictions, then the rule doesn't make sense.

Fuck'em, let the trolls get downvoated to hell for not adding anything to the discussion and keep your hands clean/head off the witchhunt lists.

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[–] FullyBespokedTomato 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

If only some people would stop holding them up as such...

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I appreciate the great feedback :) I know it's not possible to please everyone all of the time, but /v/gaming's modteam has always done a good job of approaching the community with any and all changes to the rules, only implementing them upon request. Rule 3 has been around longer than I have, and has been up for review along with the rest of the subverse rules a few times - in fact the sticky that this sticky replaced was a rule 3 discussion thread.

What do you think of the idea raised in my edit about a block user button? that would allow each individual user to handle harassment themselves without impacting others on the sub. It's functionality that would have to be implemented on a site level, but it's been on the admin's to-do list for a long time: https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/comments/1211887

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[–] FullyBespokedTomato 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No worries, I have no complaints about the work that you and the other mods are doing here in v/gaming.

I saw this shit kickoff and generally avoid getting into other mod's modding tactics as a rule. If I hate the way thing are going I just find somewhere else to spend my time. You could certainly do with one less whinging pom.

I am a strong proponent of the block user function. I really like the block subverse function already, why not be able to condemn the shitty trolls/spammers to a room all by themselves? They can still have their "free speech" and not waste my time with it either.

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[–] Namrok 1 point 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Somehow I missed everything that happened.

Maybe all that's really needed is a clear example on the rules page about what specifically falls under sustained and abusive messages. I mean, it's the internet. Shit gets salty. If two people are really having at it over PM, or contained to a single post, let them at it. To me it only crosses a line when one of them follows the other everywhere else on voat, and starts getting into crazy arguments everywhere. You get into an argument on /v/politics, and they follow you into /v/games calling you a filthy Trump/Hillary supporter while you're trying to talk about how much you hate DLC.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

To me it only crosses a line when one of them follows the other everywhere else on voat, and starts getting into crazy arguments everywhere.

oddly enough, that's exactly what happened. Rule 3 has always had support from the /v/gaming community, so it's jarring to see that sentiment change so quickly. but a mod's responsibility is to the community, and it's foolish to maintain a rule that no longer has community support. I just hope that people continue to weigh in whenever there's a rule discussion, because the modteam does all it can to sticky those discussions right here in /v/gaming and seek feedback from the community directly. If you don't weigh in, you don't have a voice.

Taking the solution one step further, I think having a block user button would solve the problem completely. Harassment is tough to define at the subverse level because everyone's definition is different. Giving everyone tools at the individual level allows everyone to handle the issue personally in a way that doesn't affect other's on the sub.

I've made the request for a block user button here: https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/comments/1211887

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[–] Namrok 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That's too bad you're catching flak then. To me that is pretty much the only time I'd ever want a user banned. But I guess I'm alone in that.

You're probably dead on about an individual block button nipping the issue in the bud. Here is hoping they can get on that.

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[–] 5987875? 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Thanks for linking me here. I think it's really good you reversed the ban and I hope the user appreciates it as well and stops being a pain in the ass. Its easy to be a dick but you don't have to be. You already know I opposed the rule 3 being there so thats all I have to say.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

AlphaWookie isn't so bad, all-in-all: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/comments/1211404/5987617

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[–] FireForEffect 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Good job reversing. I say keep the rule but get some community feedback first? Only thing I can think of right now. Spam will happen more and more as Voat grows so there needs to be guidelines. I like this sub. Not very active but I voat a lot.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I appreciate the feedback. Rule 3 (and all of /v/gaming's rules) belong to the community and are only created/modified with community feedback. In fact, the sticky that this sticky replaced was a feedback thread specifically for rule 3, which had been around for a year already.

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