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[–] DerVarg 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I'm fine with this.

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[–] whatever999 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Probably not a great precedent to create, but then again, this is Japan - they aren't shy about letting the world know that homogenous societies are strong ones. I think this sort of thing is fine in a country that doesn't have multiculturalism.

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[–] Indepentarian [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'm not really crazy about the idea myself (though we in the US are essentially under some degree of constant electronic surveillance). And it's not like Japan has had any problem with radical Islamic terrorism. I thought of it more in regards to the general GAF attitude toward Japan of "yeah they're into some weird shit sometimes but they're generally so much more advanced then us backwards Westerners," especially given the lack of anti-Japanese terror attacks.

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[–] whatever999 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Right, I had your thought exactly in mind.

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[–] rabidjackdaniels 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I'm not here to exactly debunk you on that, but you're not 100% correct, either. Besides, Japan isn't really the best example atm, as their economy has been rather weak for almost 20 years now and their birth rate is abnormally low.

Still, in the face of a threat like Isis, since there are the radicals who are creating disruptions and acts of terror around and just so happen to identify as Muslim, it's an unfortunate consequence for the Muslim living there who may happen to not have any inkling of committing similar attacks themselves. Which is in part, exactly what a group like Isis would want to achieve.

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[–] Tom_Bradys_Vagina 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

17 Muslims in a country that size shouldn't be hard to keep track of.

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[–] ToiletPaper ago 

Now watch as gaf defends this saying that "its Japans culture and who are we to judge. Oh and btw, they're racist and sexist for not being "current year" with zelda."

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[–] ThisIsWhoWeR 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I'm torn on this issue.

I think this kind of surveillance is a huge abuse of power that, regardless of the stated intentions, will inevitably lead to a ratcheting of power towards the state and away from the innocent individual.

On the other hand, I like how much this must anger shitlibs and entitled Muzzies.

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[–] UncleDoug 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

A 2010 leak of 114 police files revealed nationwide surveillance of Japanese Muslims. The files revealed that Muslim places of worship, halal restaurants and Islam-related organisations across the capital, Tokyo, were being monitored.

Considering how mosques, late night kebab shops, Islamic community centres and Islamic book stores here domestically have definitely been linked to terrorism on more than one occasion. This shouldn't come as surprising, especially considering not a week goes by for the past 4 years, where somewhere in the world there hasn't been a terrorist attack motivated by Islam.

A sovereign nation has finite resources to expend on counter-terrorism to keep it citizens safe, its not like there is an historical precedent to have ongoing surveillance on Japans, Chinese or Korean ethnic groups or other religious minorities.

My dear wife is Japanese. She cannot understand us. When asked why there are few Islamists in Japan she looks surprised and says...."mmmm, we don't like them and don't let them in". I just train her in being PC. Worse still, she is a really strong supporter of Mr Gove who she thinks wonderful. Great country; great people. ~ Peter Wayde


"What occurs here in one guise is not new. We have been down similar roads before. Jewish-Americans during the Red Scare, African-Americans during the Civil Rights Movement, and Japanese-Americans during World War II are examples that readily spring to mind. We are left to wonder why we cannot see with foresight what we see so clearly with hindsight—that “[l]oyalty is a matter of the heart and mind[,] not race, creed, or color.” ~ CCRBlog

This is definitely poignant.

Remember Islam is not a race but Japanese is.

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[–] Indepentarian [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Considering how mosques, late night kebab shops, Islamic community centres and Islamic book stores here domestically have definitely been linked to terrorism on more than one occasion. This shouldn't come as surprising, especially considering not a week goes by for the past 4 years, where somewhere in the world there hasn't been a terrorist attack motivated by Islam.

Fair enough. I suppose to me it does hinge on the level of granularity of the surveillance, and in many of the other cases an honest and objective assessment of the imams'/leaders' public statements (including their "sermons" or whatever they call it) would have been enough to raise a red flag (and many times did, they were just ignored, whether deliberately or not).

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[–] UncleDoug 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I can definitely see where your coming from, I was on the fence myself thinking in no way can 'blanket surveillance' not be an infringement of civil liberties.

However Japan is not monitoring Muslims in their homes or on the streets, only at Muslim related organisations from what I gather.