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[–] CowWithBeef 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Paying into a socialist system doesn't stop it from being socialist.

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[–] Redditgodie 1 point 28 points (+29|-1) ago 

This is from a site called redpanels. It's mostly an anti-governemtn comic, so I don't think this is so much pro bernie as anti-welfare.

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[–] Chiefpacman 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Bernsters supporters have been pretty vocal on voat.

Much as I hate them and their extended palms, can't pretend their not here.

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[–] 51rH0n3y84d93r 3 points 14 points (+17|-3) ago 

I'd say it's a spectrum. The money that was paid into SS is a tax, and relying on it to still be there in the future is a huge leap of faith. The 'free college' kids want the freebie now, but would pay the taxes for it following (Debatable, I know.). Arguably, the latter is safer as the former program is full of IOU's and will fall apart or will have additional restrictions placed on it. IE: (You can only get 1/2 as many payouts.) SS may look like a trust, but it's just a tax with a cool name, and no force of law to make it solvent.

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[–] EatingSteak 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

Great post - the "Goddamn kids these days" want more social help & programs and more taxes to support them. It's a reasonable argument/perspective. There are reasons why it might not work out very well, but it could have many benefits. There's also a philosophical fairness battle. Right or Wrong here is a matter of perspective. I'm conservative fiscally, so I wouldn't support this movement, but you have to respect it as reasonable.

Social Security, on the other hand, is objectively bad. It's a lie, and the money used to pay for it doesn't exist. I mean, you can "create" it in an abstract way (which ultimately becomes a tax of sorts, as you said). You're borrowing money from people who didn't agree to give it to you, paying yourself with it, and sticking the bill (interest) to people who don't exist yet. Now THAT'S wrong, and it's not a partisan issue.

For all the squaking you hear about how badly our veterans "are treated" - it's funny because I work with about a dozen veterans who get good healthcare because they have jobs.

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[–] ding0bait 8 points 0 points (+8|-8) ago 

berniefags are everywhere, like vegans. Just stand still and they'll tell you.